Showing Why The (Experiential) Emerging Church Christianity is Apostate, Pagan, Babylonic and Catholic

Updated And Revised 27 Oct 2010
I have described in many other posts the link between old Babylonic religion and Catholicised Christianity. You will have seen how the Roman Empire sought to introduce Babylonic paganism into Christianity by renaming Babylonic style worship with "so called" Christian names in order to introduce a global (catholic) religion which would be acceptable to Christians and pagans alike to aid Rome in its global conquest.


The hidden agenda and purpose behind the Emerging Church is (effectively) to do the same thing, by bringing Christianity back to the dark ages of Catholic dominance.


Before I bring the evidence of why this movement is apostate I would  like to give you a link to a video from Roger Oakland of Calvary Chapel. He gives a very powerful message exposing what the Emerging Church really is and its very dark roots. Please click on this shortcut link  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2354082808894087473# 


Note: After this was written I received some comments and replied to them (see the comments section). As the questions answers were (practically) a separate article on their own, I decided to post a separate article which complements this one entitled "Answers To Questions On Why Emerging Church Teaching Should Be Rejected" (please click on that link).

This is a portion of a written article also by Roger Oakland (who is a specialist on the emerging church) and illustrates why true born-again believers should not be involved in Emerging Church but actually expose it for what it is ie "a re-reinvention of Babylonic religion".o continue with THIS report please read on ....

Menu Listing All My Postings (with Shortcut Links) As At 30 Nov 2011

List Revised  30 Nov 2011
The purpose of this article is to to provide a contents menu to aid speedy access to ALL the articles on this blog without having to waste too much time searching for older posts. I felt I needed to do this as I (myself) found it hard to find specific articles now that there are over 100 articles.

This menu lists all the individual articles under different headings.The sequence of this list (the headings and the articles) has been deliberately put together, this way and designed to be read from top to bottom, with each subsequent article relevant to what has been written before.  Every item listed gives its own shortcut link (right hand side) direct to the specific article and page you want to read. Please click on the link you want to read. The full list of articles is as follows:

Who Runs The World? An Investigation Into The Global Scheme Of Things. Completed Report (Revised)

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This report (having been in transition previously) is now finished as follows.

I have been inspired to write this article after a comment made by Someone on Bob Mitchell's blogsite. Basically they were concerned about the activities of a group called Common Purpose which are growing very rapidly and seem to be behind the scenes pushing for the EU takeover of Britain. I guess I was intrigued because of the name. Another one with "purpose" in the title. Also because I wondered if they were another Vatican (or should we say Illuminati) puppet. All part of the scheme of things?

This report has taken a long time to put together. It comes through much research of all inter-relating information and evidence and the concern  to present  the facts, with the strong desire for truth. I have also compared these findings with prophecies in the Word Of God and the Bible’s general teaching, so that I know what things should or should not be said.


As this is such a serious post I HAVE to be thorough. I also want to write things which Christians can use in their witness and be encouraged, so I have to be careful to edify, ie not just give information (which could be detrimental for believers) but also accompanied by encouraging words.
So who is running the World? My full report.

Information On The Seeker-Friendly Movement and Its Links, Why It Arose and How It Has Fallen From Biblical Christianity

This article is like a supplement to
Why We Should Reject Rick Warren's Purpose Driven and PEACE Agenda
 (please click)  which presents the foundation and history behind Rick Warren and Purpose Driven. In other words it gives an insight into why/how things developed into what we see now and presents scriptural rebuttels to what they preach.  This article will be developed as/when I have time. However, I feel I need to post something for the meanwhile, so that we all may be alerted and pass on to others.

Later I will write comparing scripture with what the New Age inspired Seeker-friendly churches, Purpose Driven, Emerging Churches  preach and the main players behind this movement and the facts behind why they are new age.

Just for now I will say that  Purpose Driven is part of the seeker friendly approach. Certainly they are linked. Out of these two came the emerging church which Rick Warren praises and endorses. For now I leave you with this video which  gives a very good background to the seeker-friendly phenomena. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtxzD-Rh_9M&feature=PlayList&p=69BA21BE82E2E67C&index=14&playnext=8&playnext_from=PL   

Why We Should Reject Rick Warren's Purpose Driven and PEACE Agenda

Continuing on from my post entitled "Tony Blair Faith Foundation, Rick Warren PEACE agenda and One World Political Religious Government".

I write this new post because I am SO concerned about the bad influence Rick Warren is having on the global Christian church. Please watch this video first, which is Rick's united faith message at a meeting chaired by Tony Blair  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkumUYaxl0s

I will give you a number of other links (at the bottom) which show conclusively why Rick Warren and Purpose Driven are heresy, ecumenical and therefore influenced by the Vatican.  

Tony Blair Faith Foundation, Rick Warren PEACE Agenda & One World Political Religious Government

Updated 19 Nov 2010
Please checkout this shortcut link which is an update to this article 

Latest News On Tony Blair Faith Foundation. How it is Progressing Towards Global Religious Unity

Original Article:
I have spent the last 2 days investigating what Tony Blair's Foundation is all about, combining it with what I know about Rick Warren's PEACE agenda, the Vatican's agenda for a World religion through the ecumenical movement and the World Political Leaders agenda for a New (global) World Order. The aim of this post is to simply inform what is going on by giving an overall summary of  what I have found, supported by evidence.


I do not pretend to be an expert on this and would recommend you follow experts like Bob Mitchell, Tony Pearce of "Light For The Last Days" David Hunt and such. These and many others (over the centuries) have also been teaching from the scriptures that the antichrist will rise to power and he will sweep into power by first embracing and joining together a one world religious system. At that time the Christian church will also be seduced and become apostate. The ac will also ride on a new political world order. Once he succeeds in ruling the World through the use of globalised religion, he will then ditch the religious system and rule by tyranny. We can see these things developing very fast. before our very eyes. As Jesus said "when you see these things, look up for your redemption is drawing near". So here are my findings:

Tony Blair courts US pastor Rick Warren in bid to unite faiths

Before I start, I want to draw your attention to articles written before and AFTER this article was originally published. After you read the article below,  please read these articles which are a continuation on this theme:

1) Tony Blair Faith Foundation, Rick Warren PEACE Agenda & One World Political Religious Government
on: http://watchmanforjesus.blogspot.com/2010/03/tony-blair-faith-foundation-rick-warren.html which gives a more thorough investigation into the link between Tony Blair, Rick Warren and the Vatican ecumenical agenda

2) Why The Catholic Church is Not a Christian Denomination  on:  http://watchmanforjesus.blogspot.com/2010/03/why-catholic-church-is-not-christian.html which shows how the Catholic church is a false religion.

This Article reads:
So Tony Blair wants to work closely with Rick Warren! Not that long ago Tony Blair spent time with the Pope in the Vatican becoming a Roman Catholic. It is becoming ever clear now that Tony has a mandate from the Vatican (as an agent) with an agenda to fulfil. Please see the links below (particularly the second one which shows how things fit together for the purpose of a globalised ecumenical church as controlled by Rome).

Why You cannot Trust Any Preacher Who Has Ecumenical Connections

Edited 12 Dec 2010
I have found something VERY interesting in all the research I have done (so far) on individuals and organisations. Please see the bottom of this post for my method of research (if you query how I get this information).


What I have discovered is that ALL those supportive of anything ecumenical tend to all associate with Catholics and teach that Catholics are part of the church. They generally speak well of the pope. They tend to appear and preach at ecumenical meetings and work tirelessly to promote unity across all denominations (including the Catholic church). Please see this shortcut link Why The Catholic Church is Not a Christian Denomination  which shows why we should not associate with Rome. Rick Warren is a major player (in this respect) in these days.


I am for and not against encouraging unity across fundamental, evangelical, protestant churches who "stick" to the Bible as our final authority, but ecumenicalism (of our day) doesn't do this. It associates with Rome, New Age and all sorts of other "experiential" christianity.
Edited 12 Dec 2010
First see my post on this older shortcut link Ecumenical Christian Organisations and New-Age Christian Organisations To Avoid   and then click on the links listed within that article for even more information.    If a preacher is lnked to any of these, then he probably has catholic and/or new age connections and is probably supported by the Vatican, but certainly has

List and Details On Other False Teachers and Prophets

Article First Published 15 March 2010  Now fully revised 21 Jan 2011.


Please read through it all as many changes have been made.

I have now added a new article on 15 Oct 2010 to supplement this article. Please  check out this following new articlet by clicking on this shortcut link   Qualities Of True Biblical Leadership Compared To the False Teachers    to help you determine whether a teacher is true (sound) or false BEFORE you read this article.

Anyway, this post was first published in an attempt to list OTHER false teachers and false prophets (ie, those not already mentioned within the "False Teachers and prophets" label, up until  now - although later posts may mention them). It started off by listing men and women to be avoided or wary of, who preach or teach: heresy, ecumenicalism, word of faith or habitually give false prophesies. Evidence of  their false teaching will become clearer as you read the various posts within this blogsite.

Before you read any further,  please familiarise yourselves with a more recent article dated 15 Sep 2010  which is a reply to a wrongly held criticism of this site. To see that article please click on this shortcut link Christian Protestant Denominations In 2010. Are They Now All Apostate? (Of Course Not). This Blog's Statement 

I originally listed just a minimal number of  names within this article but then found (later) that this article was not really workable, anymore, and needed a replacement. Therefore, I wrote another more appropriate article, some time later, which will be revealed at the bottom of this article. This post did depend upon contributions from others, and (where I was able to) I  checked them out, first.

Please read on to see the small initial list I produced and a lot more details as to how and where to find all other appropriate articles related to the  subject of this article:

Ecumenical Christian Organisations and New-Age Christian Organisations To Avoid

Edited 12 Dec 2010
I have stated many times on my blog (information gathered from reputable sources, through much research and investigation) and has been stated by many respected Christian leaders that Ecumenism should be avoided.


Why? Because it compromises and "waters down" true Christian, biblical teaching and faith. It is "leaven that leavens the whole lump" and corrupts the true church of God. Ecumenism has also introduced  new-age influences (which have occultic origins). The force behind the ecumenical movement is the Vatican whom controls it. Click here for article which proves this - especially the vatican's ecumenical links. They introduce ecumenism to charismatic, evangelical, protestant churches, by infiltrating these churches and by starting false new organisations and fake revivals. The whole purpose is to weaken the church that Christ died for with destructive heresies and practices.


These are the organisations you should avoid (or at least be wary of) because they are ecumenical working with the Catholics or even other religions or are new-age. See my label "Ecumenical Organisations Specific Information" for further details on the individual organisations. This is the list I have at the moment as follows: 

Why The Catholic Church is Not a Christian Denomination

Updated 19 Nov 2010 (and added a new link 25 Feb 2012 & 22nd Nov 2014)
Please read this article in conjunction with my latest two articles written on 12 and 19 Nov 2010 found within these 2 shortcut links:
Peter Was Not The First Pope! Conclusive Historical Evidence Revealed and Matthew 16:18-19 Contextual Evidence

When Did Jesus Drink The Fourth and Final Passover Cup? The Mystery Truth Revealed
It is important to understand that Jesus died for us, taking our  place on the cross, being punished for what we have done. The good news of Jesus is that we are saved because of what He has done. The Bible says we are saved by grace (God's unmerited favour towards us) - not by works. The Bible makes it plain that any faith or religion that depends upon works for salvation is a false religion. Catholics depend upon WORKS! 

Here is some evidence explaining  why the religion of Rome is a false "works" and counterfeit religion: please click on this following link (newly added 25 feb 2012)
Roman Catholicism Versus the Bible

It is also important to understand the origins of the Catholic Church which prove it to be anything BUT Christian.

The origin of the Catholic Church
The Roman Catholic Church contends that its origin is the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ in approximately 30 A.D. The Catholic Church proclaims itself to be the Church that Jesus Christ died for, the Church that was established and built by the Apostles. Is that the true origin of the Catholic Church? On the contrary.

Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus, or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship / adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in Heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture.

So, if the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles, as recorded in the New Testament, what is the true origin of the Catholic Church? 

Showing Why The Bible Version "The Message" Is Blasphemous

In these last days there are hundreds of newer versions of the bible being thrust upon us. I believe it is satan's tool to confuse us and pervert the truth. "The Message" written by Eugene Peterson is heavily endorsed and used by Rick Warren and his Saddleback church. The overuse of "the Message" can be seen specifically in Rick Warren's Purpose Driven books. "The Message" is the biggest example of men blaspheming/ corrupting God's truth. This post will expose the error and the hidden agenda of this false bible.
After reading this article, please then take a look at this link  http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-U-Z/Saddleback.pdf which shows how Rick Warren uses the false translation of "the Message" to distort truth and how he produces a very worldly and counterfeit type of church devoid of  "real" spiritual life.

New paragraph added 1st September 2013:
The following has been taken from http://www.crossroad.to/Bible_studies/Message.html which shows how dangerous this false "bible" is (actually a paraphrase - a man's own opinions on what the Bible says) and why it should be rejected, thrown away or even burnt. To read it, is to allow your mind to become polluted by false interpretation which can colour forever the way you view God, His true message, truth, sin etc etc. Eventually the harm done could take years to undo and may never be fully healed. We MUST study God's word direct from trustworthy versions only (more on that later and throughout this blog).

What kind of message is THE MESSAGE?   Written in 1993 in response to several requests See also Comments: Your response to this message

Home Emphasis added throughout the report

The Message DELETES the reference to God's holy name, ADDS requests not voiced by Jesus, and changes the meaning of other verses. Follow the link and learn more about the phrase, "As above, so below."
Matthew 6:9-13   "Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name.Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors. And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever.	The Message: "Our Father in heaven, Reveal who you are. Set the world right; Do what's best - As above, so below. Keep us alive with three square meals. Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others. Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil. You're in charge!

The Message distorts the relationship between God the Father and Jesus the Son:
John 10:30"I and the Father are one."                                                John 14:28 "...The Father is greater than I."	The Message: "I and the Father are one heart and mind." The Message:   "The Father is the goal and purpose of my life."

The truth and Danger About The Word Faith Heresy Movement

This movement is so seriously dangerous that I just have to paste everything here as taken from the link below This movement will be better understood if I mention Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Oral Roberts and Morris Cerrullo are just a few of the many well known names who belong to it. Generally are known as the prosperity and slain in the spirit preachers.

Please read the section that talks about the origins of Word Faith (i.e, from Scientology  - a recognised cult) and their cultish views of the "non" atonement of Jesus.  It is full of error and abuse of clear scriptural teaching. We should always compare scripture with scripture and never ignore any parts of scripture, as all scripture is inspired by God. It is worth looking at their view of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It is "another Jesus" they preach. They are not a sect but a heretical cult. I have thoroughly investigated this cult from my own experiences of them and from those I know to a full extensive search from a vast number of reputable websites. If you don't believe me, check it out yourself. http://www.thechristianexpositor.org/page7.html


THE WORD FAITH MOVEMENT
Who are the Leaders of the Word-Faith Movement?  

Benny Hinn And His Shocking Letter Of Mammon Greediness

This is a part of a letter from Benny Hinn with his signature as proof it is from him.  Actually, it is not a new letter and has been on his website since 2008. See http://www.bennyhinn.org/articles/articledesc.cfm?id=638 

Basically he is clearly implying that Benny Hinn Ministries is the storehouse you should pay your tithes into. Or at least he is hoping that his supporters will pay their tithes to him as they are the ones who believe that Benny feeds them.

These Word of Faith preachers are always misquoting scripture to get you to send them money and try to put pressure on your conscience. They state "if you give, God will bless you and will not bless you if you don't give".

My bible teaches that God's love and grace is unconditional for the born-again Christian. Paying tithes is because we love God not because we want something in return. If we do it because we want something from God, it becomes a blessing due to our works. The New Testament is clear:  we are saved by Grace, we receive the Holy Spirit through Grace and we continue our walk with God through Grace - not of works!  This was his letter: 

Benny Hinn Wheelchair and Hypnosis Fraud Exposed

I found this very enlightening about how Word Faith operate - not just Benny Hinn.

THE LAST WORD By Ole Anthony with Skippy R.

Issue # 177, Sept./Oct. 2001

“Who says I am not under the special protection of God?” --Adolph Hitler

We were as surprised as everybody else when HBO compared televangelist Benny Hinn to Adolph Hitler in a special program last spring.

But now that they’ve made the comparison, we can’t explain how we overlooked the resemblance for so long.

The comb-over hair should have been a dead give-away. And here’s a description we ran across of an early Hitler rally by Newsweek magazine in the 1930s: “Women faint when, with face purpled and contorted with effort, he blows forth his magic oratory.”

Blows forth? Yep. That could definitely be Benny.

We decided the cover of our magazine should do justice to this new revelation, but the scale just didn’t quite work. So we substituted Charlie Chaplin’s character in The Great Dictator for Adolph himself, and it balances just right.

Antony Thomas, producer of the HBO special called America Undercover: A Question of Miracles, brought together specialists in psychology, neurology and theology to take a look at the techniques of crowd control used by Hinn and a German evangelist, Reinhardt Bonnke, and compare their style to Hitler’s.

Interspersing clips of their crusades with footage of Hitler at the Nuremberg rallies, the similarities couldn’t be denied.

Here are excerpts of the dialogue:  

Video Evidence Showing The Catholic Institution as "Babylon"

Please click these links. Part 1 and 2 of same message. It is a very clear message to all true believers that we should not be involved in any organisation which supports or gives allegiance to this babylonic whore.

The Bible's Book of Revelation says to not take part in her sins and to come out of her. Therefore we need to know what it is that we need to get out of. These videos make it absolutely clear of who the Babylonic whore is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toBOML5W4uQ&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL6PZnRqTns&feature=related 

Word Faith Preachers Are False, An Example

I found this testimony of an ex follower of Word Faith: their experiences and lessons learnt. It should be a stark warning to us all.

Testimony of a Joyce Meyer FollowerTestimony left at Pulpit Pimps here.

A few years ago, I supported Joyce Meyer with everything I had. I regarded her as a true, down to earth, sincere, and prosperous role model. I hung on every word that came out of her mouth as if they were the words of God straight to me. I never missed a show, and if I did, I watched her internet broadcasts. When she held her conferences in my area, I went to see her in person. I would do as she said to prove my commitment to God and take vacation days and drive 3 hours to Tulsa to see her preach at the ORU campus and drive 3 hours back home, justifying myself to God by reminding Him of these sacrifices.

Talking about sacrifice, not only did I give up a day’s pay to see her, but it was nothing for me to sacrifice $100 or more into the white buckets they’d pass around as offering plates, knowing all along that I’d have to sacrifice again when I didn’t have that money to pay a bill with! That, in addition to the hundreds of dollars I’d send her through the mail every month! In the typical Word of Faith (Wof) fashion, I would then go to God in “prayer” and tell Him what He had to do (you [God] MUST keep your word; you MUST provide ‘pressed down, shaken-together’ etc; if I delight myself in you, you MUST give me the desire of my heart, ad nausea!).

That’s NOT praying! When a WoF preacher “prays” by saying “we bind you Satan, we come against all the powers of darkness, we rebuke all poverty and lack” etc, they are NOT praying to God! They are talking to the devil and speaking as if they were God Himself. It is NOT prayer. But I digress.

I absolutely LOVED Joyce Meyer! But God had other plans for me. I was DEEP into the Word of Faith . It was all I had ever known all my life. My grandmother latched onto the seed faith teachings of Oral Roberts back when it first came out. She taught my mother in the ways of the WoF, and my mother in turn taught us the same way!