tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post4325526213517017052..comments2024-03-22T02:49:13.173+00:00Comments on Last Days Watchman: Chronological Emergence Of The Apostate Church Over Last 100 YearsAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04713448621601972014noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-33324024109423789002011-08-15T23:11:00.806+01:002011-08-15T23:11:00.806+01:00I did this same study a while ago, when Todd Bentl...I did this same study a while ago, when Todd Bentley came out with his nonsense, and mentioned William Branham, etc etc. No matter what anyone says this whole movement is bred in deceit, manipulation, emotional hyper junk. Histrionics, which Hitler studied and did well also.<br /><br />I commend you John for posting this and know am praying for all involved to wake up from this.RomaLynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07616344918139237247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-48464689897058875732011-08-14T22:17:43.176+01:002011-08-14T22:17:43.176+01:00That "Amen" comment; is that from the la...That "Amen" comment; is that from the last "anonymous" writer ie Butch? If so, thanks for replying. If it is not from Butch, what is it that you are "amen" ing to?<br /><br />God blessAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04713448621601972014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-68349020291435497462011-08-14T20:08:08.089+01:002011-08-14T20:08:08.089+01:00AmenAmenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-70087251592043418622011-08-10T12:02:46.817+01:002011-08-10T12:02:46.817+01:00Hi Butch
With respect, you and I are NOT Jesus. W...Hi Butch<br /><br />With respect, you and I are NOT Jesus. Whatever Jesus said and did BECAME the Word of God and truth. Jesus did not actually need to follow the Word of God (although He regularly showed that He DID fulfil the scriptures and followed its teachings) because Jesus IS the Word Of God. Whatever He did/does IS TRUTH.<br /><br />It is wrong to say that "experience of 'god' proves truth". It is nonsense! We must ALWAYS weigh up our experiences as to whether it fits in with Scripture. Jesus answered satan with scripture - so should we.<br /><br />By the way, just saying the name of Jesus verbally (ie as a "magical" word or excuse) IS NOT doing things in Jesus Name. Jesus explained that doing things in His Name meant first abiding in Him and doing things (as led by the Holy Spirit) in HIS AUTHORITY.<br /><br />For example "I arrest you, in the NAME OF THE LAW". Authority first needs to be given, then you follow orders under that authority. Look at the context where Jesus said:<br /><br />"if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you. Until now you have asked for nothing in My name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be made full." (John 16:23-24)<br /><br />The context can be found in John 15, where it talks about abiding in the vine and "without me you can do nothing". Doing things in the Name of Jesus requires BEING IN JESUS. Just using His Name, without abiding in Him is misusing the Name.<br /><br />Jesus said that many will come in my name saying "Lord, Lord, we did this and that in your Name". He then stated something very important "I NEVER KNEW you". They went out healing and delivering in the name of Jesus under their own Will and purpose, but were never sent out under the authority of Jesus.<br /><br />If people are healed, it is no evidence that they are Divinely healed. Many are only temporarily relieved but not fully healed. Jesus said that a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. So if a false prophet/teacher exercises healing then the fruit CANNOT be good.<br /><br />The criteria is whether someone with a healing ministry centres their life on Jesus and on His Word or whether they twist the scriptures for their own agenda.<br /><br />The latter CANNOT be exercising under Christ's authority , ie "in the Name of Jesus" because they are actually doing it in their own name.<br /><br />It is seriously wrong to misuse the Name of Jesus and is considered as blasphemy. The Name of Jesus IS powerful because of what the Name represents. Phil 2:6-11 says "although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.<br /><br />For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."<br /><br />It says that God bestowed on Jesus the name which is above every other name because of who He was/is and because of what He had done.<br /><br />It is not the name (in itself alone)which has power but what the name represents.<br /><br />Demons shudder at the name of Jesus BECAUSE of what the name represents. It represents the FULL authority of the Living God who reigns supreme throughout the Heavens, who has conquered death, once and for all and has authority over every power in the Universe and MUCH MORE.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04713448621601972014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-53727417926507648632011-07-29T04:39:04.053+01:002011-07-29T04:39:04.053+01:00Thus if I pray for healing in Jesus' name and ...Thus if I pray for healing in Jesus' name and healing in fact occurs, is that satan performing the "healing" or in fact is it God? Ditto deliverance. '[I]s it by the prince of demons that I drive out demons' or is it God? Even in His earthly day, Jesus based Truth on His miracles<br /><br />The Wisdom of God on us both,<br />ButchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-22155849602718620042011-03-07T08:47:41.380+00:002011-03-07T08:47:41.380+00:00Hi Don
Thanks for that correction. I am sorry tha...Hi Don<br /><br />Thanks for that correction. I am sorry that I did not publish your original submission. I held it back because I wanted to consider whether it would be right for me to condone any support of unsound, unbiblical religions, such as Christian Science.<br /><br />However, on reflection (reading through your comment again) I realise you are not really advertising it. You are correct is saying that not all false religions are cults, so I was wrong to give the impression that Christian Science was a cult.<br /><br />I have now changed the wording to read:<br /><br />"the metaphysical mind science religions (some being cults) such as Christian Science, Unity School of Christianity, and Church of Religious Science" <br /><br />I maintain that Christian Science is a false religion because it waters down the Word of God and teaches and practices unscriptural things.<br /><br />However, I do not want to get into a debate on Christian Science within this article as it would sidetrack the purpose of this article.<br /><br />However, if you want to chat with me personally on this, please write direct to my email address from yours and I will try to deal with it there.<br /><br />For all my readers (especially those who are experts on the CS subject) please write to me regarding whether you consider CS as a cult, religion or a false sect of Christianity or even why you consider it to be a true. Please give sound logical reasons, with respectful politeness (WITHOUT mindless rantings) and your reasons. <br /><br />If there is a big enough response, I will (God willing) write a separate article on it (posting your comments to that article). Bear in mind that I will only publish helpful comments.<br /><br />I will do this when I have time. However, at present I am trying to complete part 4 as a continuation of THIS article.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04713448621601972014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-16986272869688478062011-03-07T08:27:43.339+00:002011-03-07T08:27:43.339+00:00Christian Science is not a cult. Christian Scienti...Christian Science is not a cult. Christian Scientists practice their religious teaching out of a reasoned conviction of its truth -- not from blind, irrational feeling about Mary Baker Eddy. There are no secrets. The churches and Reading Rooms are open to all, and the services are dignified and simple. Church members come and go at will. And any kind of cult-related mind control is an anathema to the teachings of the religion. Some religionists, though, tend to confuse the issue by not using this term "cult" in the sense that most people understand it at all. They apply it to virtually any group that departs from certain doctrines which they believe to be biblical. But this is to make words mean what one wants them to mean. Thoughtful Christians in many denominations reject the assumption that any group of people has a right to label as a "cult" any denomination that disagrees with that group's definition of true Christianity<br /><br />Originally submitted By me in Jan 2011Donnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-39211389841677368702011-02-25T17:32:56.564+00:002011-02-25T17:32:56.564+00:00thanks i am just reading the replies to my questio...thanks i am just reading the replies to my questions as i am ill it takes me a while read, but thank you v muchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-23220533651293599482011-02-24T20:54:36.763+00:002011-02-24T20:54:36.763+00:00Here is an excellent and powerful book on healing ...Here is an excellent and powerful book on healing which I highly recommend THE BIBLE!!!<br /><br />Really, there are so many books written on healing and possibly 99% of them should be ditched. There is sufficient teaching in the Bible on healing for us all. Going to so called experts will only confuse. They are secondary books. Why read them when you can avoid false teachings by studying the scriptures on the subject.<br /><br />There are occasions when God WILL heal and there are others when God does not. Whether all believers should be healed or not is a confusing question because our minds tell us that Jesus surely wants us all to be healed, but the NT letters show occasions when people were still sick.<br /><br />Certainly if God is going to heal you He will give you the faith to believe it, but remember faith is not what YOU drum up but what God gives you. So if God has not given you the faith DO NOT beat yourself up about it. Also, remember it is FAITH IN GOD WHO CAN HEAL not FAITH IN FAITH. The onus is not on you to force yourself to believe. Faith comes from God NOT from you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04713448621601972014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-87595426716603799212011-02-24T20:40:43.854+00:002011-02-24T20:40:43.854+00:00This was from a friend:
Please check this expose ...This was from a friend:<br /><br />Please check this expose of Healing rooms:<br /><br />http://www.spiritual-research-network.com/healingrooms.html<br /> <br />It has been observed by those who have discernment in these matters, that you will never find "sound" churches and ministries running Healing Rooms, because they know they are not of God; invariably they are run by churches and ministries where there is already some compromise, error and false teaching and ecumenism to a greater or lesser degree. <br /> <br />Many working in them get false words of knowledge; in fact, many operate through a spirit of divination. They are well-intended, but, I am convinced, falling into a snare of the enemy, thereby operating in counterfeit spiritual gifts, and, dare I say, lying signs and wonders.<br /><br />Healing Rooms are, I am convinced, a Last Days phenonomen; one of those deceptions, I believe, of which our Lord warns us in Matthew 24<br /><br /><br />This is from me:<br /><br />I have investigated Healing rooms before. What I discovered is it has very strong New Age experiential links. If I am led to write about how deeply New Age has infiltrated the church (I have scratched the surface of it on some of my articles) it will certainly include healing rooms.<br /><br />The techniques used are certainly verging on occultic (from what I remember).<br /><br />I know of one person who got involved with Healing rooms ministry. It was so clear how infected he had become by its practices that he was VERY supportive of the paradigm shift, voted for a woman to be co pastor of the church and was supportive of emerging church corrupting that church. It seems all part and parcel of this whole deception which blinds the eyes of believers.<br /><br />At the moment I am working on a big project, showing which groups (within the apostate church) are now ecumenical and/or new age and why. Healing rooms will probably fall into that category.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04713448621601972014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-29513420211649278632011-02-24T20:40:32.281+00:002011-02-24T20:40:32.281+00:00It is useful to know the origins behind these fals...It is useful to know the origins behind these false organisations, like Healing Rooms, Word faith etc. Many of them are influenced by the occult, new age and scientology, which use magic formulaes for getting results, by invocations etc. Even eastern religions use mantras to invoke power upon themselves.<br /><br />Jesus said "do not be like the pagans who think they will be heard because of their many words .... do not offer up vain repetitions"<br /><br />Even repeating the name Jesus over and over again (even though Jesus has the sweetest name on Earth) can be a form of invocation used as a formula to receive power.<br /><br />Jesus implied that we should not invoke His name as a mantra for power. We should simply bring our requests and our worship to the Father in the name of Jesus for His glory and not as a magical formula.<br /><br />It is true that there is power in the Name of Jesus and that demons tremble at the mention of His name. <br />"There is no other Name given amongst men by which we are saved but the Name of Jesus"<br /><br />However, it is not just the name that saves but Jesus Himself. So just repeating His name over and over again does not bring results. It is our surrender and submission to Jesus as our Lord and Saviour, being obedient through the faith He gives us, that will bring results because HE DOES IT. It is not invoked power upon us that does it.<br /><br />Regarding Healing Rooms. I intend to write something on this soon as part of this series. For the meanwhile I will leave this observation (on next comment:Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04713448621601972014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-24320445876159644822011-02-24T20:10:53.498+00:002011-02-24T20:10:53.498+00:00Hi Anonymous
You raise some very important points...Hi Anonymous<br /><br />You raise some very important points.<br /><br />I will start by commenting on the whole section from Isaiah 53:4-6 which is completely talking about our sinful nature.<br /><br />"He was wounded for our TRANSGRESSIONS, He was bruised for our INIQUITIES, surely He bore our SORROWS and by His stripes we are HEALED ...... and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.<br /><br />The context is talking about SIN. Transgressions is everything to do with our wrong doing and disobedience to God, iniquities is to do with what we are or have become. It speaks of our sinful nature, ie a nature that tends/leans towards sin, siful behaviour, perversion and general twistedness.<br /><br />This means that Jesus died to save us from our sinful nature and from every individual sins we have committed. He bore our sorrows which meant that he suffered in our place for all the misery caused by our sin and dealt with the darkness in our souls. All these things were done so that we could be saved from our sins and be brought into a close relationship with God.<br /><br />So the 4th element "we were healed by His stripes" in context MUST be referring AGAIN to our sinful state. It would not make sense for it to refer to natural healing but to spiritual healing. ie our separation from God has been healed. It is a healing of reconciliation.<br /><br />Of course, certain sicknesses are a direct result of sin and are often healed once sin is forgiven. Jesus said "is it easier to say your sins are forgiven, or say rise up take your mat and walk". In that case Jesus demonstrated the effect of that persons sins being forgiven which was physical healing too.<br /><br />Word Faith use those verses (as they do in ALL their doctrines) out of context. they are very selective in what verses they teach on and NEVER show you the full context, but MAKE THE BIBLE say what they want it to say.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04713448621601972014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-59745797343235315222011-02-24T18:45:26.243+00:002011-02-24T18:45:26.243+00:00hi, i havent read all this article yet but it is v...hi, i havent read all this article yet but it is very interesting, i cant belive how much false teaching there is out there, and that years ago ive had asccocations with these ministries, can you tell me, is it biblical to speak healing scriptures over yourself, like" i demand my body to work etc in the name of jesus", i think its called word faith im not sure i have a booklet called Godc creative power for healing, charles capps, also is there any suitable christian meditation? and is the verse by his stripes you are healed mean we are all supposed to be healed?? or does this mean spiritual healing, what would you recomend as suitable teachin on healing? feel v confused now and disressed over the years who to trust for prayer etc and you wonder what do they belive, it seems thers not many options left to go to, also have u heard of healing rooms?? cal pierce? my friend was v invovled with the william branham teachings and i felt imeditaly that it was not of God ...thanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-40137480402551073242011-01-27T18:12:47.885+00:002011-01-27T18:12:47.885+00:00Thanks for pointing that out Andrew. You were righ...Thanks for pointing that out Andrew. You were right, it was misleading. I have now modified it to read<br /><br />"This is Part 3 of a series looking into how (many strands of) the protestant evangelical Church became apostate over the last 100 years."<br /><br />By the way, I DID NOT add Evangelical Alliance to my list of organisations because I know it would raise too many issues.<br /><br />The fact is that many churches are starting to realise the apostate nature of EA and are starting to leave it. There are many churches who simply do not know what EA are supporting. So , I do not name all associations with EA because it is a grey area.<br /><br />I never stated that individuals who belong to churches attached to false organisations are apostate. I said that the ORGANISATIONS are apostate and ITS LEADERS or church leaders who follow these organisations are PROBABLY false. <br /><br />I never (at any time) pointed the finger at the laity within these organisations, as they could simply be blind sheep who follow in sincerity and do not know what they are following.<br /><br />I did say or imply that individuals who deny the Bible and the way of salvation (as presented by the Bible) to deliberately follow after ecumenism instead are probably never born-again. As always, I will say "only the Lord knows the heart and who are His"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04713448621601972014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-79692096489896100752011-01-27T17:34:36.434+00:002011-01-27T17:34:36.434+00:00Thanks Pete.
I hope you found it useful.
The res...Thanks Pete.<br /><br />I hope you found it useful.<br /><br />The rest of this is amodification because I just realised I gave wrong info.<br /><br />In answer to a question from Andrew Bowman (not published) who asked about the anglican renewal ceasing in 1975. <br /><br />The list (on this article) stated that the anglican renewal came to an end in 1975. This was because the life of that renewal left it to join the restoration movement, according to the charismatic church records. I cannot comment too much because I am only writing the information I found.<br /><br />It could be that the power or fire of that renewal ceased and what remained were embers but still charismatic, with some life still in it.<br /><br />I do know that (from experience of being a believer since 1977) that whatever (so called) life there was, was influenced by those (within or supportive of) the restoration movement.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04713448621601972014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-2068250049436707902011-01-27T17:08:26.884+00:002011-01-27T17:08:26.884+00:00But John, at the very start of this piece, you wro...But John, at the very start of this piece, you wrote "This is Part3 of a series looking into how the evangelical Church became apostate over the last 100 years".<br /><br />You're now telling me that you actually meant "...some parts of the evangelical church became apostate...".<br /><br />I think it's very important that you express yourself clearly. Saying one thing when you mean something else will lead to misunderstanding.<br /><br />I have to also question your definition of apostacy. I'm not going to argue with the first bit - faith in Christ alone - but I don't believe that apostacy has anything to do with separation in the way you see it.<br /><br />For example, thousands of churches in the UK are members of the Evangelical Alliance. You would consider that makes them apostate. I think that's a ludicrous position to take, despite the fact that I don't agree with everything about the EA. And you'd probably also say that every single member of those churches is an apostate for the same reason. That's just plain crazy. I don't see anything in my Bible suggesting that belonging to a particular organisation necessarily makes a church or its members apostate.Andrew Bowmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-38075421235337660932011-01-27T16:31:49.016+00:002011-01-27T16:31:49.016+00:00Hi Andrew.
Good to see you back again with your co...Hi Andrew.<br />Good to see you back again with your contributions.<br /><br />In answer to that question. I never stated that all branches of the evangelical church are apostate. <br /><br />Those churches that are dedicated to teach THE WORD OF GOD trusting in Christ alone for our salvation (not works needed to save us)<br />and keep themselves separate from those false teachings and from those false organisations ARE NOT apostate.<br /><br />With respect Andrew, I went into great detail explaining my position to you before, within my article entitled:<br /><br />"Christian Protestant Denominations In 2010. Are They Now All Apostate? (Of Course Not). This Blog's Statement" on http://watchmanforjesus.blogspot.com/2010/09/present-state-of-denominational.html<br /><br />Rather than get into this discussion here, please refer to that article which I believe gives my full answer.<br /><br />God blessAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04713448621601972014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-29751401741820013822011-01-27T16:28:04.342+00:002011-01-27T16:28:04.342+00:00John
A very well researched and highly pertinant s...John<br />A very well researched and highly pertinant series of articles.<br />God blessPetehttp://www.cambournechristianfellowship.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-50814401714144908952011-01-27T15:57:25.589+00:002011-01-27T15:57:25.589+00:00John,
I'd rather keep this in public. If you ...John,<br /><br />I'd rather keep this in public. If you are posting a piece on the internet for the world to see, I think it's only appropriate for discussion about it to be similarly public.<br /><br />Let me reduce my comment to one question:<br /><br />Are you actually claiming that all branches of the evangelical church (worldwide? in Britain?) today are apostate and believe in kingdom now/dominion theology?<br /><br />I hope you will have the grace to post this and respond.<br /><br />AndrewAndrew Bowmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1842260823875796403.post-51067347202101462372011-01-27T14:20:30.780+00:002011-01-27T14:20:30.780+00:00Hi Andrew Bowman
I have not published your commen...Hi Andrew Bowman<br /><br />I have not published your comments because I feel they sidetrack or confuse the matter of those 2 articles.<br /><br />You raise some very good points, but it seems you have misinterpreted the things I have written. I would rather have a dialogue with you personally by email, before publishing any of your thoughts.<br /><br />You have my email address (shown on this blog), but I do not have yours, so cannot reply to you personally. So please email me (using your email account) directly to me. I promise I will not divulge your email address.<br /><br />ThanksAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04713448621601972014noreply@blogger.com